I’d call it anything but a neutral assessment. If there’s a lot of competition for market space, acco to ur view no new company would ever earn again!!

They’re not asking u or the average user to pay or even refer (considering ‘time investment’ from ur perspective). They’re saying, that those who refer more will earn more. Average user is supposed to and will just use their viewbar.

I say this cos i’m an average user. Its a genuine idea to include people like us in the huge internet revenues (even if its not thousands), n not internet marketeers n bloggers like u. Why sneer at them then?

Pyramid scheme is anyway sthg I ban (anyway,… so), no matter it comes from.

Although I don’t agree with you on the not earning part.

Firstly there is a market for Agloco. Ofcourse it has to compete with Google and Overture, but it is more valuable.
Google and Overture reach users only trhough websites. They need webmasters to join their program.
Agloco gets right on the screen of the internet user.

AllAdvantage failed mostly because of decline in internet marketing and the dotcom bubble burst. Now internet advertising is at its peak.

I did the math too. I bet that there were acctually most of the time 2-5 millions. Then when it paid out consistently the memberbase grew to 10mill. And at 10 mill the dotcom bubble was at bursting so all of those dotcoms stopped investing in ads.
And at that time there was almost nothing to do with the surfing information. Now… search engine optimizers and search engines themselves(including Google) would kill to get their hands on this info. If you know what people want… you know how to profit from them.

And this Kenneth Lay thing is confusing. At first I thought that his in the Agloco team. Then I read your post again and understood that being smart doesn’t mean you can get rich. It’s true. But chances of Stanford MBA’s landing a economical hit is bigger than average internet user creating website that will produce income trhough Adsense.

Thanks for the inteligent dialog. You backed your statement with facts and real thoughts. Which is great.

Good luck with the things you’re doing. I’ll try to check back for an answer from you and maybe I’ll get some moneymaking ideas from you.

Oleg

To Oleg: Yes, Google and Overture need webmasters to join their programs for it to work - but AGLOCO needs people to join for it to work too! Furthermore, ads are already right on the screen of the internet user - just look at my site for example!!

Kumiko
xo

Shirlene

Thanks for the plug! Yes, I did made $25K from AllAdvantage and I do plan to make at least that much from AGLOCO.

There is one point that most people who are against this miss on. You said that AllAdvantage paid $120 million to 10 million user. $12 per user. Sounds bad, but consider this. Even though each user got an average of $12 (it was really more because while AA had 10 million users only 20% were really surfing) they still came out ahead.

Yes it’s true. The average AGLOCO user who signs up nobody will be making maybe $3 to $10 per month. Can’t quit your job on that, but they are in the black.

As for pyramid, you say the person at the top makes all the money and the person at the bottom makes next to nothing, right? Maybe you should check with where you work.

John Chow

Ignore the naysayers and keep putting up the critiques.

run4chocolate.wordpress.com

Yet I think John’s case is a bit special. He has a widely-read blog that he can use to promote AGLOCO and sign people up.

Viewbars have been around on the web pretty much since day one. I can’t think of a single company that has endured through this model.

While I’m doubtful about how successful they’ll be — only time will tell.

By the way, great blog Kumiko! Very interesting stuff.

If you’d spent that time building your own site - you could have generated a greater income! And AGLOCO has stolen that income from you through their impossible dream!

Also, you say its a waste of time trying to refer members, but surly it is even more of a waste of time to write about how bad AGLOCO is? Because no matter if AGLOCO succeds or fails you wont get any of it! - You could say it is creating content for you site, which is fair enough but you can do the same thing by promoting AGLOCO. e.g. most of my organic traffic comes from people typing in ‘agloco scam’ into Google. (And I write about how it isn’t a scam).

Other than that, keep up the great site!

Matt

if you ever fall into such trap, then it shows you don’t value the time spent of which you can use it to do other things more beneficial ….

i guess only time will tell if a plan will collapse or sustain …

cheers …

The idea for its users/members is to make money while surfing. If I were sign up for the revenue, i would never care of what it display on my screen or even worse I will try to get rid of it.
Because of this attitude, how could it attract more advertisers?

John Chow managed to earn thousands from referrals obviously because he is at the top of his game with tens of thousands of readers. And when he says something is good, at least a certain percentage will want to try it out too, little realising that John is the one with the last laugh being at the top of the pyramid.

I think your point of view is refreshing amongst the heard of AGLOCO Members that are simply blinded by the light. Though I’m an AGLOCO member with just over 100 referrals, I get plenty annoyed when I hear people preaching that this is the end all be all of Internet and that people are stupid if they don’t join. These people need to grow up.

I’m glad you brought up the “It costs nothing” selling point. The people that have to sign up one referral at a time will be less efficient at growing their network than someone who has 100,000 unique visitors to their blog per month. They aren’t starting off equally. That’s why it is easy for those that have the readership to say “It takes no time or money”. For them it doesn’t, but it is only true for them, not everyone else.

Keep up the good work.

that makes a lot of people visit your blog…
That is so genius of you!

that is what I said in my post.
-You need to have the “cons” in order to realize the value of the “pros”..-

Congrats kumiko!
sayonara ni!

I’m not John Chow neither i have time enough to throw around campaigning but i have over 800 referrals cos every COMMON MAN i speak to wants to gain something from his time on d net. When i read ur blog, do i gain? But u do? So y do u see red when i start to gain?

Yes time is important but then thats my point if time is so important then why not earn for investing this time on d net reading such blogs as urs!!

They may or maynot make big, but atleast they’re not fooling us. They’ve been honest with their facts n vision n i give them credit for that.

N of course time will tell cos as i repeat “Naysayers will be Naysayers!”

It’s one thing to be hopeful, and to embrace new ideas … we all should … but the idea has to have a basis in fact. I could hope that flapping my arms will make me fly but the science of aerodynamics can calculate the lift and drag forces involved and let anyone who does the math know all the hope in the world won’t make me fly.

The progression of people needed to continue to sign up to AGLOCO and keep the pyramid from tipping over rapidly exceeds the entire population of the earth … too bad so many people refused to listen in math class.

Thanks for being one for the few bloggers with enough technical skills to do simple math.

Found you through mybloglog and i just noticed your blog about how agloco’s not going to work. I can understand your points on this post wholeheartedly since there is no money that has been made yet, but in all honesty, it doesn’t cost us anything but some time to set up a small site and add some links here and there. This is one of those “why not” experiments we all need to do. Much like how Google gives their engineers time to try out different ideas . . . the “why not” factor is pretty important in these fast changing times!

mrgarylee.com

However, instead of just “you are wrong” or “your post is incorrect”, it would be GREATLY appreciated if commentators pointed out what exactly is ‘wrong’ or ‘incorrect’ and why that is so.

If you can….

Kumiko

Here’s my take on this: http://www.ihelpyoublog.com/20070218-is-agloco-scumware-and-violating-the-law (not an affiliate link)

I don’t think we’re going to lose a thing. While the viewbar may have some success initially, once users realize that it is only making them a couple of cents a month, I’m confident it will be uninstalled quite quickly.

Does anybody really want to see MORE ads on their screen???

Furthermore, in the early stages of AGLOCO, I doubt they will have the advertiser base to provide enough relevant ads to the viewbar.

Any money (if any) to be made with AGLOCO will be by referral income - but this will also die quickly once the viewbars start being uninstalled….

Kumiko

As for me I rather look at it on the +ve side. If it’s a hit then I can make money out of it and I have everything to gain from Agloco. If not, then I have nothing to lose since I don’t have to pay anything to join.

Unless they put virus or spyware in the viewbar then that’s another story Even better though…we can sue them and make more money ~LOL~

The following statement made in your post is inaccurate:

“The structure of MLM dictates that those lucky few at the top of the pyramid (scheme) should receive a large portion of any earnings. BUT, unless you are at the top of the pyramid, you can pretty much guarantee that your earnings will be next to nothing.”

The Multi-level Marketing structure in no way dictates that. In fact, in any legal MLM, a recruit can (and many times does) earn more than his/her sponsor earns.

I see here that it’s important to point out that MLM and pyramid schemes are VERY different things. It’s clear that those two terminologies are being confused here.

There’s a vast difference between an MLM business model (that when mapped out, has a “pyramidical” shape) and an illegal pyramid.

Yes, it IS correct that those at the bottom of an illegal pyramid scheme earn next to nothing. In most cases they lose their initial investment completely. But in MLM, which is legal, that is simply not the case.

In fact, I’ve always earned more than those above me simply because I have a strong marketing background.

Also, the Internet advertising market is not at all saturated. In fact, there are not enough advertising options out there to suit all the needs of advertisers - which is why new advertising companies and mediums are continually grabbing hold and creating markets for themselves.

Anyway, just wanted to share those thoughts and facts. Wishing the best to you and yours always.

Shine on,
Aaron

Thank you for your insightful thoughts!

I agree that it’s possible for someone at the bottom of the “pyramid” to make more money than those above them in a traditional “business-based” MLM scheme.

However, in AGLOCO I don’t believe this is possible. No matter how good your marketing skills are, if you’re at the bottom of the pyramid your earnings are limited. You must get referrals in order to increase your income limits.

I also slightly agree that there are not enough avenues for a lot of advertisers. However, I don’t believe AGLOCO is solving this problem. I believe they will simply be showing the same type of ads as we see now. An advertiser could advertise through Adwords just the same as through AGLOCO.

Kumiko

Once AGLOCO starts up, I’d love for you to post your earnings here!

Kumiko

I’d be happy to, provided it’s not against any of AGLOCO’s policies. I haven’t seen any mention of it yet, but some companies do restrict members from disclosing their earnings so as to prevent legal issues.

That’s due to the fact that there are laws regarding earnings representations and earnings testimonials. For example, two states, Massachusetts and Wyoming, have statutes that expressly limit or even prohibit income claims.

I cover it in the Legal section of my blog. It’s the post on 4/15/2006 titled “Know What’s Legal…And What’s Not!”

Anyway, as we all know, there are no guarantees in life - and that also includes AGLOCO. Will it work? That’s very possible. And I hope it does. Will it fail? Possibly. I hope it doesn’t. Only time will tell for sure.

Again, take care Kumiko. I’m wishing you the best in your quest to make money online. It’s not an easy game, but those who stick with it and do it honestly (like you) eventually succeed.

Shine on,
Aaron

Only a few have been paid until now.

I simply choose to put my time into a site that does pay and provides a useful service to surfers.

AGLOCO hasn’t paid anybody and I don’t believe that more ads are useful!

Kumiko
xo

Also, the ad market is saturated - with low-quality, spammy, annoying ads! the Viewbar aims to use Adsense-style technology to show ads that will relate to your browsing experience and not have to be disruptive to get your attention.

As for whether you will make tons of money, AGLOCO is not promising everybody that. Of course you will make more money the more people you refer, but there are many folks out there who don’t prowl around the blogosphere who wouldn’t mind a few bucks now and then even if it isn’t a huge sum of money.

Here are 7 reasons why AGLOCO will not fail.

Good to hear from you, Kumiko. I enjoyed reading your post and praise you on successfully winning another reader!

Michael

So AGLOCO is using adsense-style technology and isn’t using spammy, annoying ads? Have you SEEN the Viewbar????? You can’t make those statements until you have.

You’re right though, AGLOCO does pay different from AllAdvantage. Considering that AA went broke, AGLOCO will be probably be being LESS than what AA paid!

If you’re only after a couple of dollars, I think you’ll be satisfied. What annoys me are AGLOCO’s slogans of “reclaiming the internet” and “do you know how valuable you are?” and then just giving a couple of dollars.

I hate companies that play on people’s hopes and dreams and fail to deliver.

Thank you for your thoughts!

Have a great day!

Kumiko
xo

What do you think about Success U? I’d like to read what you think of that one too.

I wonder how many others do so on the back of such negative publicity.

Yes, it is. The organisers, who will make almost all the money to be made, will cream off thousands.

The ‘little man’ may get a couple of dollars a month - but using the same time, could make much more through adsesnse, amzon, whatever.

The real scam is hoping that the members will buy off the ads they’ve volunteered to sit through - so they’ll be paying top dollar prices for consumer goods, then getting a cent or two in ‘commission’. They’d ALWAYS be better off shopping around - or making Amazon or Target as their home page.

It’s a scam, no more, no less.And good to see the leading man admitting he’ll get richer on it.

Good Going, Kumiko, We Love Ya!

A very good post Kumiko.

There have been so many “get paid to surf the internet” plans out there. I do not know anyone who makes a living doing it yet (maybe if someone did them all at once).

Is it a scam? It depends on what the product they are selling is and if they deliver.

If the average person who puts the bar on their browser makes little or no money is not the real problem.

The ones that have potential to be hurt most are investors and advertisers that are paying. The real product is the advertising. If they provide it, and the advertisers get what they pay for, then the model may work.

Enron was a true pyramid. They had no product. They just took the money coming in and paid it to those who came in sooner. Not much different than a chain letter.

I do not know if Agloco can provide the product or not. I would not want another bar on my browser. I would have to convince a lot of people to take my referral on it. On this end it does start to look like a pyramid.

Your post is interesting and putting the negative comment on Agloco. Yes I agree with some of the reason, but I stick to some point that Agloco will got some profit, and great company based on Advertising. Yes Agloco selling same kind of ‘product’ with another company (like google), but there is some other great positive idea for Agloco to grow larger. I cannot debate about the cash they will shared (about $12 in AllAdvantage), yes it could be, and for average people they will got lesser than that is a possibility too.
The reason of why Agloco could be a profitable company (and share the profit to us, if it’s not a scam ) are :
1. The Agloco is based on network where the community will using viewbar to browsing and got money from that. It will make the member happier and trying to build network referral from that (as it’s profitable to have more referral than none).
2. The operational cost of Agloco will be much lesser than another sites or company based on Advertising (YouTube/Google); the bandwidth usage for example will cost only about 5% of YouTube; but could generate advertising more than YouTube.

So could say that your post is should be come into consideration for Agloco, because if this company want to gain popularity and get profit from that, the timing is exactly significant. And now is the best timing for launching.

Your title said that Agloco will never pay you/people; that still not sure will. I’m not saying that Agloco Will be paying, that still need prove first (even the first penny of it).

Right now I still stick on the track to support Agloco; I support it in my leisure time thought.

But at last but not least, I really appreciated how you make your opinions, that really controversial among the others, can’t say it’s totally wrong, but I can’t say it’s true either.

Kindest Regards,
Aureus

I think there is a 100% correlation between being an idiot dupe in this scheme and losing all your friends when they realise that you are NOT even being paid for sharing their personal data and viewing habits with some utter scum buckets. Private company shares? Unknown value? No cash formula?

Get real, its a sucker-bait con job. And, they already failed at it once … yes - AllAdvantage was the same sucker-bait team!

Agloco: Fraud? Hoax? Or Real?

Have a nice day!

http://www.sitelogic.co.uk/agloco-dont-believe-the-hype/

Maybe of interest to you….

sinceramente no creo que Agloco vaya a ser una gran ganancia para las masas.

You say you aren’t a shovinist but you damn sure are a chauvinist!! OINK OINK!!
Kellie