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PayPerPost Direct - Making You LESS Money Online

PayPerPost, the site that pays you to blog and is one of the easiest ways for new bloggers to make money online, has launched a new feature called PayPerPost Direct. They explain it:

To get started simply drop the appropriate HTML snippet into your blog template. Advertisers that come across your blog and love what you do can then click on the image in your blog and create an opportunity just for you. You’ll get an email with the opportunity details and offer amount and can then log into PayPerPost.com to actually negotiate terms with the advertiser to get the very best deal for you both.

My initial reaction was that PayPerPost had decided to make a challenge for the ReviewMe marketplace but it quickly became obvious that there was one big difference…there isn’t a marketplace!While ReviewMe advertises your blog on their site and places blogs offering reviews in a central marketplace where advertisers can find them easily, it looks like PayPerPost Direct is relying on advertisers finding your site through general web surfing. The advertisers have to actually seek out and find your site instead of just going to the “marketplace” and browsing through blogs to order reviews from. Somehow, I don’t think advertisers looking to buy reviews are going to spend much time browsing blogs trying to find a PayPerPost button - they’ll just go to ReviewMe!

The good

One aspect that I like about PayPerPost Direct is that they’re only charging a 10% service fee which is a lot better for the bloggers than the 50% that ReviewMe takes. It’s also nice that you get put in touch with the advertiser directly in order to negotiate prices and word counts.

The pointless

My honest opinion about this though is “What’s the freakin’ point?!“If an advertiser is going to find my site through web surfing, I may as well put up my own buttons and deal directly with the advertisers anyway. If the advertisers are already coming to my site (which I doubt), why not put up my own button linked to my contact form and keep the 10% service fee for myself. I feel like PayPerPost is kind of saying the equivalent of “I’ll install Adsense on your site if you give me 10% of everything you earn“.

No thank you! I’ll install it myself!

The money

While PayPerPost will probably make a bit of money through this, I really believe that they’re ripping off the bloggers. I’ll be sticking with ReviewMe to advertise reviews - they may take a bigger cut but being placed in a central marketplace is worth it.

And if advertisers want a cheaper review, they can always find me through ReviewMe and then offer me a cheaper price anyway. Not that something that unethical ever happens….


UPDATE: Pete Wright, Head of Software Development at PayPerPost has left a comment to this post that’s worth a read - and he left it 5 minutes after this was posted.. now that’s FAST!



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18 Comments »

Interesting post, but I think you are missing some key points. First up, the word ‘marketplace’. We have a marketplace. We were the first to the market with a marketplace. What you are talking about though is a directory of bloggers willing to work with PPP Direct that advertisers can browse. You’re right, we don’t have that.

So, how will advertisers find you, until we implement that directory? Well if you’re already blogging with PPP then advertisers already see your blogs and your posts on their opportunities. While they browse the posts you’ve made on marketplace opps they’ll read your blog and if they like you can now make you an offer.

You also mention that this is a rip off for bloggers. I’m not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. We don’t charge bloggers to use this service, so there’s no ripping off there. Also, unlike REviewMe etc, we only charge 10% commission on top of the post. That’s the key here. If you charge 20 dollars for a PPP Direct post, you’ll get 20 dollars. We charge an additional 2 to the advertiser. Now, given all the processing fees for receiving that money from the advertiser, then paying the blogger, etc etc, we’re actually probably making a whole lot less than that 10%. So, no, we’re not ripping bloggers off.

You also made the point that PPP Direct is pointless. If we are relying on advertisers finding you through general surfing, why not just deal with the advertisers directly? Well, if you go that route then the onus is on you, the blogger, to handle the logistics of exchanging money, chasing payments, swapping personal information with someone you don’t know, etc etc.

by Pete Wright

 

Pete - Thank you for your response. I look forward to you implementing the directory - but it’s not there yet, is it?

I not sure that some of your logic adds up though. If advertisers are finding my blog after I’ve posted on their opportunities, haven’t I already written about their product? What incentive is there for them to pay me to write ANOTHER post about it? And if they’ve visited my blog, can’t they organize it through my contact form?

I’ll concede that perhaps “ripping off” isn’t the best choice of words - perhaps “short-changing” is better? While I’ll still get what I charge, I’m getting less than what the advertiser is willing to pay for the review. They could contact me directly and I could receive the full $22 that they’re willing to pay instead of just $20. That may not seem like a big difference in that example, but if we’re talking 10 John Chow reviews, that 10% adds up to $400.

In terms of the logistics of organizing a review yourself..I’ve done it plenty of times and it’s not that hard: “Here’s my paypal address, send me the money and I’ll write the review.”

I just don’t see what advantage this brings to bloggers.

Kumiko

by Kumiko

 

I’m an advertiser, blogger and investor in PPP and can share that many advertiser will value the certification, negotiation and tracking benefits of PPP Direct. The time/effort manually managing multiple one-off email negotiations, performance and payment can eat away marketing ROI quickly — particularly for sponsors with the largest campaign budgets. PPP Direct may not be right for bloggers that aren’t interested in those advertisers.

However, the PPP Direct transaction widget is a no-brainer for bloggers interested in those advertisers and/or already carrying a “pay me to blog” widget that charges 50-100% markups.

I’d encourage you to try it and see if you actually make less money than before…somehow I doubt that will be the case.

by VC Dan

 

Hi VC Dan! In all honestly, I question your advertising strategy.

From my experience, advertising and promotion is 110% about building relationships with those who are promoting your site.

I truly believe that it’s better to promote your product on one or two “big name” sites rather than lots of smaller ones. Often the smaller sites just write about what the A-listers write which results in you getting free reviews of your product anyway.

If you took the time to actually email the sites directly and form a relationship with the blogger, you may find that the promotions you receive on the blogs create a better ROI than what you initially planned.

The most successful reviews that I’ve written on this site have been the ones where the advertiser took the time to write to me and discuss the style/focus of the review rather than just a “hey write about this site for $20″ message.

I get the impression that a lot of advertisers are wasting a lot of money by not forming relationships with bloggers. Whether done through ReviewMe or PPP, it’s all about the relationship:

Zac Johnson on bad reviews

Shoemoney pays for reviews in other languages

Josh Dorkin receives a useless review

by Kumiko

 

Those are good thoughts and carrying the PPP Direct widget doesn’t preclude any of it. In fact, I see you already have a badge offering reviews for $40, but you only get $20 of that. Replacing that with a $30 PPP Direct (or putting them side-by-side to compare results) will immediately offer you and advertisers more value, starting relationships with even stronger ROI than your current badge.

by VC Dan

 

An interesting conversation. From a blogger’s point of view, a marketplace is helpful as it increases blog presence tho’ i do agree that 50% is a big cut. As for PPP direct, I’m still a little doubtful, a common sentiment for anything new. Sponsored reviews seems to fall in between. Actually, it’s simple, if the offer from an advertiser via PPP direct is not attractive, I will reject. So, nothing to lose in the end.

by dorischua

 

yeah…

me myself got my own thought regarding this new PPP direct. once, i’m thinking it’s better for me to send an email to advertiser myself.

how to find the advertiser?
it’s easy…. don’t ask for me for that. everybody knows that.

by weirdoux

 

Hi Weirdoux! One method I like to find a ReviewMe on another site and then contact them and offer a cheaper rate than the other site. Is that what you were trying to get at?

Kumiko

by Kumiko

 

Kumiko:
The PPP Direct could be used with the first review done between you and the advertiser. The next time, if the advertiser has a new product/service, that one could be made directly to your PayPal account.

You are right about building relationship but time may be a factor that advertisers can’t afford.

by Steve's Tech Blog

 

Awesome comments in here Kumiko. Way to stir the pot. I posted about PPP Direct over at my blog and share similar opinions, though I took a less aggressive approach :) I bow to your link baiting skills.

I’m 100% with you on the building relationships issue. But while you’re looking at it as missing the point, I actually see Direct as an opportunity to start some relationships.

I think this is pretty cool though because while you wrote a great post, the comments are way more interesting ;)

by Marc

 

PPP Direct is targeting people buying reviews directly from your blog. The “marketplace” that PPP or ReviewMe have is irrelevant. This is all about the widget on YOUR blog.

PPP Direct will pay you more for posts ordered through their widget than posts ordered through the ReviewMe widget. Period.

by Matt

 

@Matt - Factually, you’re correct, but you’re missing the “what’s the point?” factor.

PPP may pay more for reviews ordered directly from your blog, but I can make even MORE by cutting them out and facilitating the review myself.

Don’t kid yourself - the big name advertisers don’t spend time surfing the net for blogs..they just go to ReviewMe.

Any reviews ordered directly from your site will be by your existing readers and these reviews are easy to organize yourself and cut out both PPP and ReviewMe.

by Kumiko

 

I accept that big advertisers go to reviewme and don’t go surfing blogs.

But what if i order a review from u through ur contact form… U write the review and i deny payment for no reason. Also it will not sound good to ask some advance payment to right the review.

This will not happen in case of established players like PPP and why not shell out that little extra money for the security instead of allowing reviewME to take away shit loads of your money.

by Ramanujam

 

Possibly. But that still hasn’t stopped people from displaying the ReviewMe widget all this time.

ReviewMe and PPP Direct do the work for you, which is good. They also have a solid reputation, which is good. THe only con is that they take money, and PPP Direct takes very very little, which is good. PPP Direct gets my vote.

by Matt

 

@Matt - PPP Direct doesn’t do any work for you. You have to do all the work promoting your site and bringing in advertiser traffic..and then they take a cut.

@Ramanujam - Actually that’s exactly how direct reviews work. I do ask for payment in advance and if you’re not confident about that, I’ll put you in contact with many satisfied customers who received a review promptly after payment. A lot of my income comes from reviews and if I decided to start ripping people off that would all disappear!

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